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Jason Schulze on AMS2750E: Initial and Periodic Temperature Uniformity Surveys

This is the seventh in a series of articles by AMS2750 expert, Jason Schulze (Conrad Kacsik).  Click here to see a listing of all of Jason’s articles on Heat Treat Today. In this article, Jason advances the discussion of initial and periodic TUS requirements. Please submit your AMS2750 questions for Jason to editor@heattreattoday.com.


Introduction

Any technician who has performed a Temperature Uniformity Survey (TUS) understands that the assembly, use, and placement of thermocouples is imperative to the success of the TUS.

As we move through the requirements of Temperature Uniformity Surveys, we will examine the requirements that apply to TUS thermocouples.

Initial Temperature Uniformity Surveys

Before we get started, let’s take a look at how AMS2750E describes :

An initial TUS shall be performed to measure the temperature uniformity and establish the acceptable work zone and qualified operating temperature range(s). Periodic TUS shall be performed thereafter in accordance with the interval shown in Table 8 or 9. ~ AMS2750E page 23, paragraph 3.5.1

Most companies, whether purchasing a new furnace or used one, know what they would like the acceptable work zone size and qualified operating range to be. I emphasize “would like” because what we would like our furnaces to be capable of is not always what they are able to do. We would like to use every square meter of our furnace control zone in an effort to maximize capacity and, of course, maximize profit on each cycle we process. We would like our furnaces to operate at the very limits of what the furnace manufacturer states it can do.  Unfortunately, these items don’t always exist once the furnace is subjected to an initial Temperature Uniformity Survey per AMS270E.

An initial TUS is used to tell us what our furnaces can do based on pre-determined parameters. Normally, these parameters should be flowed down to our furnace manufacturers, and prior to shipping, these parameters are compared to what the furnace can actually attain making the furnace conformative and ready for shipment. I strongly recommend this whenever purchasing a new or used furnace.

Initial temperature uniformity testing requirements are as follows;

  1. Initial survey temperatures shall be the minimum and maximum temperatures of the qualified operating temperature range(s).
  2. Additional temperatures shall be added as required to ensure that no two adjacent survey temperatures are greater than 600 °F (335 °C) apart.

These requirements are simple and straight forward. One could argue that I may be oversimplifying the requirements of an initial TUS, but let’s not forget, these are merely the requirements, not the conditions, under which an initial TUS must be performed. Let’s look at an example that would conform to the stated requirements.

Example

A furnace (in this case, it is irrelevant what type of furnace or what it is used for) processes production hardware from 900°F to 2200°F. Based on the requirements of AMS2750E, the initial TUS would start by testing at 900°F and the last temperature tested would be 2200°F. The supplier would need to select temperatures between 900°F and 2200°F to ensure that there is no more than a 600°F gap between each adjacent temperature. Figure 1 is an example of temperatures that could be selected.

 

Figure 1

 

We’ve covered the requirements of an initial TUS; we will now address the conditions when an initial TUS is required. Initial TUSs are required when a) the furnace is installed (new or used) and b) when any modifications are made that can alter the temperature uniformity characteristics. You could dispute this by stating if a TUS fails (and the furnace is then repaired to be put back in service), if the qualified work zone is expanded, if a thicker control thermocouple is installed, etc. a new initial TUS is required. I would agree, but these would all fall under “B”.

Periodic Temperature Uniformity Surveys

Periodic TUSs are performed for single operating ranges greater than 600°F. In this case, the temperatures are selected must be 300°F from the minimum- and 300°F from the maximum-qualified operating range. If there is a gap of greater than 600°F, additional temperatures must be selected so there is no gap greater than 600°F. Using the example above, we could select temperatures as stated in Figure 2 below.

 

Figure 2

 

It is required that at least once each calendar year the minimum and maximum temperatures of the qualified operating range (in our example, it would be 900°F and 2200°F) are tested. Some suppliers may choose to perform an initial TUS once per year to ensure they capture the minimum and maximum.

Initial and Periodic Test Frequency

Tables 8 and 9 within AMS2750E describe the TUS frequency which is based both on furnace Class and Instrumentation Type. As an example, if our furnace referenced previously was identified as a Class 3 (±15°F), Type A instrumentation, the initial survey frequency would be quarterly. After two successful consecutive surveys, the frequency of testing could then be extended to being done annually.

It is important to recognize the difference between initial and periodic TUS temperatures and initial and periodic TUS frequency. Let’s use our example to expand on this. The supplier would perform a TUS using initial temperatures shown in Figure 1. If the TUS passes, the supplier would then, three months later, perform a TUS using the temperatures shown in Figure 2. This would then count as two successful consecutive TUSs. The next TUS could then be performed annually using the temperatures stated in Figure 2.

Conclusion

Understanding initial and periodic TUS requirements is imperative to ensure conformance to AMS2750E and Nadcap. In the next installment, we will discuss TUS data collection, relocation of hot and cold thermocouples, as well as quality requirements.

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Jason Schulze on AMS2750E: Examining Requirements That Apply to TUS Thermocouples

 

This is the sixth in a series of articles by AMS2750 expert, Jason Schulze (Conrad Kacsik).  Click here to see a listing of all of Jason’s articles on Heat Treat Today. In this article, Jason advances the discussion of TUSs with an examination of requirements that apply to TUS thermocouples. Please submit your AMS2750 questions for Jason to editor@heattreattoday.com.


Introduction

Any technician who has performed a temperature uniformity survey understands that the assembly, use, and placement of thermocouples are imperative to the success of the TUS.

As we move through the requirements of Temperature Uniformity Surveys, in this installment we examine the requirements which apply to TUS thermocouples.

TUS Thermocouples Re-Use, Quantity, and Arrangement Requirements

TUS Thermocouple Re-Use Requirements

AMS2750E, paragraph 3.1.3, can be difficult to understand at times. To start, it’s important to understand the difference between expendable and nonexpendable thermocouples.

Expendable Thermocouples:

“Thermocouples made of fabric or plastic covered wire. The wire is provided in coils or on spools. Insulation usually consists of glass braid or ceramic fiber cloth on each conductor plus glass braid overall.”

Nonexpendable Thermocouples:

“Thermocouples that are not covered with fabric or plastic insulations. One type consists of ceramic insulators over bare thermocouple wire, sometimes inserted in a tube for stability and protection. A second type consists of a combination of thermocouple wires, mineral insulation, and a protecting metal sheath compacted into a small diameter. The thermocouple thus constructed is protected, flexible and, within the temperature limits of the sheath material, may be used many times without insulation breakdown. This type of thermocouple, conforming to ASTM E 608, is available under many trade names.”

Once these definitions are understood, we focus on paragraphs 3.1.3.3, 3.1.3.4, and 3.1.3.5 carefully to ensure you apply the correct usage allowance to the correct thermocouples.

Paragraph 3.1.3.3:

“Expendable test sensors may be reused if ‘U’ in the following formula does not exceed 30. A ‘use’ for test thermocouples is defined as one cycle of heating and cooling the thermocouple (2.2.77). U = Number of uses below 1200 °F (650 °C) + 2 times number of uses from 1200 °F (650 °C) to 1800 °F (980 °C). Expendable base metal test thermocouples shall be limited to a single use above 1800 °F (980 °C).”

Notice the paragraph begins with the term “expendable test sensors.” This prohibits the U-formula from governing the replacement frequency of nonexpendable test sensors as well as expendable sensors which are not used as a test sensor.

Paragraph 3.1.3.4:

“Any base metal TUS thermocouple that is (1) used exclusively under 1200 °F (650 °C), (2) identified, and (3) preserved/protected from damage (i.e., crimping, excessive moisture contact, corrosion, etc.) between tests or remains installed on a rack that is protected between tests,) shall be limited to no more than 90 uses or 3 years, whichever comes first and may be reused subject only to the limitations of 3.1.3.1 to 3.1.3.2.”

This paragraph begins with “Any base metal TUS thermocouple.” This would apply to any base metal thermocouple (i.e. Type K, Type N, etc.) used for a TUS, whether expendable or nonexpendable.

Paragraph 3.1.3.5:

“Nonexpendable base metal TUS thermocouples reinstalled for each TUS through ports in the furnace, used in the same location and depth of insertion for each TUS and used exclusively under 1200 °F (650 °C) shall be limited to no more than 90 uses or 3 years, whichever comes first and may be reused subject only to the limitations of 3.1.3.1 to 3.1.3.2.”

This paragraph is very specific regarding its application. For this paragraph to apply, the supplier would need to be using a) nonexpendable thermocouples that are b) base metal, which are c) reinstalled through ports in the furnace and used (non-resident) d) at the same location and e) depth of insertion.

Suppliers interpreting the usage requirements of test thermocouples should pay close attention to Figure #1 in AMS2750E. Figure #1 lays out the usage requirements of AMS2750E in an easy-to-read format that can be used as a quick reference.

Figure 1, AMS2750E

 

TUS Thermocouple Quantity Requirement

AMS2750E, page 27, paragraph 3.5.13.1, states that the number of TUS thermocouples shall be in accordance with Table 11. The top 2 lines reflect the most widely used. (See Figure 2.)

Figure 2

The amount of test sensors is based on the cubic foot of the qualified work zone. This should not be mistaken for the cubic foot of the heating area in the furnace, or control zone, as the full heating area is not always the size of the qualified work zone.

Table 11 begins by categorizing the options as “Workspace Volume Less Than.” Once your qualified work zone is established, you will need to apply that to the table to determine how many TUS thermocouples will be needed. As an example, if your qualified work zone is 562 cubic feet, you would need a minimum of 19 test thermocouples distributed throughout the qualified work zone during the TUS.

TUS Thermocouple Placement Requirement

Thermocouple placement is described in AMS2750E paragraphs 3.5.13.2.1 and 3.5.13.2.2. Paragraph 3.5.13.2.1 relates to the thermocouple placement for qualified work zone volumes that are less than 3 cubic feet. Typically, this would apply to small air furnaces or laboratory furnaces used for testing, although could very well apply to smaller atmosphere or vacuum furnaces. Each paragraph describes the requirements for a rectangular qualified work zone and cylindrical qualified work zones.

Paragraph 3.5.13.2.1

“For furnace work zone volumes less than 3 cubic feet (0.085 m3), four TUS sensors shall be located at the four corners and one at the center. If the furnace work zone volume is cylindrically shaped, four TUS sensors shall be located 90 degrees apart at the periphery and one shall be located at the center. In both cases, all TUS sensors shall be located to best represent the qualified work zone.”

To better describe the requirement within this section, I’ve included a diagram of the requirement for both rectangular and cylindrical qualified work zones.

 

 

 

The location is a requirement, although the numbering sequence identified in these diagrams is optional and the supplier has the freedom to number the locations as they see fit.

Paragraph 3.5.13.2.2

“For furnace work zone volumes greater than 3 cubic feet (0.085 m3), eight TUS sensors shall be located at the corners and one shall be located in the center. If the work zone volume is cylindrically shaped, three TUS sensors shall be located on the periphery of each end, 120 degrees apart. One of the remaining TUS sensors shall be located at the center; the other two shall be located to best represent the qualified work zone. For furnace work zone volumes greater than 225 cubic feet (6.4 m3), the additional TUS sensors required by Table 11 shall be uniformly distributed to best represent the qualified work zone. When radiant heat from the periphery of the work zone is used to heat the product, the additional sensors shall be uniformly distributed at the periphery of the work zone.”

Again, the diagrams to the right better describe the requirements within paragraph 3.5.13.2.2.

Conclusion

Now that the TUS thermocouple requirements have been established, we will move on to the requirements of initial and periodic TUS requirements in the next article.

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Troubleshooting Thermocouples: Detecting Small Issues Before They Become Big Problems

 

 

Source: GeoCorp, Inc.

 

Heat treating thermocouples are thermal processing sensors that allow equipment operators to accurately measure and maintain the right temperatures for softening, hardening, and material modification. A faulty thermocouple can result in inaccurate measurements, so it’s critical for quality management personnel to determine when and why thermocouple failure has occurred. GeoCorp, Inc., has provided a series of short articles that walk operators through assessment and troubleshooting of thermocouples that go bad.

Sometimes the smallest issues can lead to big problems. When your business relies on crucial temperature readings from your thermocouples, it can pay to pay identify individual factors that may have cause part failure. ~ James LaFollette, GeoCorp, Inc.

When troubleshooting thermocouple failure, the authors, James LaFollette and John Ochenas, recommend reviewing three key issues: system wiring, probes, and wire and junction. In addition, the following could cause misreadings:

  • metal fatigue
  • oxidation
  • contamination
  • poor installation
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Jason Schulze on Understanding AMS 2750E — Alternate SAT

Heat Treat Today Original ContentJason Schulze, Conrad Kacsik Instruments, Inc.


This is the third in a series of articles by AMS 2750 expert, Jason Schulze. Please submit your AMS 2750 questions for Jason to Doug@HeatTreatToday.com.


Introduction

Of all the changes made to AMS2750 through the years, the Alternate Systems Accuracy Test (ALT SAT) is arguably the one that has had the largest impact within the heat treat industry. The requirements for the ALT SAT, as presented in AMS2750E, make up just 0.008% of the specification as a whole; yet these requirements account for an inordinate amount of time spent on discussion and debate.

Below, we’ll discuss the requirements of the ALT SAT as they are presented in both AMS2750E, and in the Nadcap Pyrometry Guide.

ALT SAT Applicability

Prior to revision E of AMS2750, a load thermocouple that was single-use, or which was replaced more often than the applicable SAT frequency, did not require an SAT of any kind. During the time period when Revision D was in effect, the Alternate SAT did not exist. This meant that if you used a load thermocouple and had a documented single-use statement or replacement schedule, which ensured the usage did not exceed the applicable SAT frequency within your internal procedures, that particular load sensor was not subject to the SAT requirements of AMS2750D.

AMS2750D page 14, paragraph 3.4.1.2

3.4.1.2 An SAT is not required for sensors whose only function is over-temperature control, load sensors that are limited to a single use (one furnace load/cycle), sensors not used for acceptance as part of production heat treatment, or load sensors whose replacement frequency is shorter than the SAT frequency. See 3.1.8.4 and 3.1.8.5.

When AMS2750E replaced AMS2750D, the ALT SAT was introduced. In addition to the ALT SAT, paragraphs 3.4.4 through 3.4.4.3 were also inserted:

AMS2750E pg 19, para 3.4.4

3.4.4 The SAT can be accomplished using any one of 3 methods:

3.4.4.1 Perform an SAT following the requirments in 3.4.5

3.4.4.2 Alternate SAT process defined in 3.4.6

3.4.4.3 SAT Waiver process, as described in 3.4.7

By stating that the SAT “…can be accomplished using any one of 3 methods”, this section has often been misinterpreted to mean that a supplier may simply choose which type of SAT they wish to implement. This is not the case.

An ALT SAT must be performed on any thermocouple that is either

  1. single use, or
  2. replaced more often that the applicable SAT frequency.

Throughout the industry, these two items typically apply to load thermocouples. As an example, let’s assume that a non-expendable load thermocouple is used in a furnace that is designated as a Type A, Class 5 furnace. This would put the standard SAT frequency at quarterly (no SAT extension & parts-furnace). If the non-expendable load thermocouple that was used had a documented replacement frequency of monthly, the ALT SAT requirements would apply to this particular load thermocouple.

In the example above, a supplier could not accomplish the SAT “…using any one of the 3 methods” – the ALT SAT requirements would be required for that particular load thermocouple system and would need to be accounted for in the supplier’s internal pyrometry procedure.

ALT SAT Requirements

The ALT SAT requirements can be split up into a single main requirement and two sub-requirements which suppliers may choose to implement.  The main requirement is:

  • Calibration of instruments at the point at which the sensor is connected.

This means that, wherever the thermocouple is connected directly, instrument calibration must take place at this point. Let’s look at a vacuum furnace as an example.

Vacuum Furnace showing Location A and Location B for an Alternate SAT
Vacuum Furnace showing Location A and Location B for an Alternate SAT (photo courtesy: PVT Inc.)

Location A indicates where load thermocouples will be plugged in directly. Location B is where the extension wire from inside the furnace travels to the outside of the furnace and then on to the recording instruments. Location A is where the calibration of the recording instrument must take place per the ALT SAT requirements. This requirement in no way changes the standard requirements for instrument calibrations as they are presented in AMS2750E; it only specifies exactly where the instrument calibration must take place within the furnace sensor system. Your internal pyrometry procedure must state that this is a requirement.

The next paragraphs, 3.4.6.1.1 & 3.4.6.1.2, are where the supplier must read and understand both paragraphs in order to make a choice regarding which option best suits their furnace set-up and production. Let’s break both paragraphs down.

Option Number 1

3.4.6.1.1 - Establish appropriate calibration limits for sensors which when combined with the calibration of the instrument/lead wire and connector, will meet the SAT requirements of Table 6 or 7, as appropriate.

There are several ways to go about conforming to this paragraph. Keep in mind, that when choosing an option you are dealing with 2 variables; the error of the instrument which records the thermocouples in question and the error of the thermocouples themselves.

a) This option relieves you of one of the variables stated above. When calibrating your instruments which the thermocouples are plugged in to, ensure there is absolutely no error at all. Adjustments (offsets) may need to be made to accomplish this. This means that, if you do not permit offsets currently, you will either need to account for them in your procedures or choose option “b” below. Once you’ve established that your instrument has no error, you restrict the error of the thermocouples you purchase not to exceed the appropriate SAT difference stated in Table 6 or 7.

As an example, let’s assume you have a vacuum furnace that uses 2 load thermocouples which are single use only. The furnace is classified as a Type A, Class 2 furnace – this means the Maximum SAT difference is ±3°F or 0.3% of the reading.  You would ensure that the recording instrument for those 2 channels recording the load temperature have no error. Then, order load thermocouples which have an error of ±3°F or 0.3% of the reading, or less.

b) This option is most attractive to those who do not wish to allow offsets within their heat treat operation. To accomplish this, you compare the error of the specific channels of the instrument the thermocouples in question plug into, to the error of the thermocouples themselves. The resulting value cannot exceed the maximum error permitted for the appropriate furnace class. Internal pyrometry procedures specifically state how thermocouple wire will be received and the ALT SAT calculation accomplished prior to releasing the thermocouple wire to production. There are two variables that must be verified in this option. Anytime one of these two variables change, the calculation must be obtained. The Nadcap Pyrometry Reference Guide requires that this calculation be evaluated at the instrument (chart recorder) calibration points (min, max & middle 1/3rd.)

Overview of a Calculation – Single Temperature
Overview of a Calculation – Single Temperature

For Your Consideration

There has been some confusion in the industry that the ALT SAT process, specifically Option B above, must be accomplished at the furnace. This misunderstanding includes suppliers using a Field Test Instrument to simulate the min, max and middle 1/3rd of the instrument calibration temperatures in an effort to obtain the error of the instrument channels in question. This amounts to nothing more than an additional instrument calibration; one could simply obtain the error from the current instrument calibration instead of performing extra work at the furnace.

Option A and B above would be performed as a desk operation; none of the tasks would be performed at the actual furnace.

Conclusion

The ALT SAT process has been successfully implemented by many suppliers in the Aerospace Industry; both Nadcap approved and non-Nadcap. As with any AMS2750E process, detailed procedures and training are key to executing the ALT SAT process.

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